This list is for 1949 to 1967 buses. If you don't have one of these, or are not interested in them, then you're on the wrong list.

Vintagebus is about being in buses on the road, keeping buses on the road, and rescuing forlorn or neglected buses and putting them back on the road. Mainly, it's a technical/mechanical resource, although we also welcome trip reports, for sale advertisements, and "here's what I fixed today" messages.

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"Legitimate" means that there is a good reason that 800 other people should spend their time reading your message. "Bus" means not-Beetle, not-Ghia, not anything but aircooled Transporters. There are other lists for other models. General mechanical/technical/shop stuff is fine if it applies to somebody's Transporter problem.

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The home page is considered to be part of the list and there is a tremendous amount of information there that can help you; you are encouraged to explore it. In particular, though, familiarize yourself with the Library and Archive pages.

The Library page gives you access to hundreds of bus tech articles from all over the net indexed by subject matter.

The Archive page gives you access to every post to the bus mailing lists, with the ability to search by any word in the subject line or the body of the post.

You are expected to run a search thru the Archives and to have looked in th Library before posting questions to the list. This is to your advantage: you have hundreds of megs of hardcore answers to your questions and the search tools to pull out the information you need. You'll get more answers faster from the search engines than you will if you ask the list to spoon-feed you. Please use this resource early and often.

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FRIDAY. TGIF is an institution that started on v@l, our motherlist. It's a release, it's a morale-builder, it's when the content restrictions get loose. Understand that Friday ends at midnight on that day, it does not endure indefinitely. And, even on Friday, messages must have bus content.

There are some subjects that are only appropriate on Friday. These include toys, models, memorabilia, sightings, and surveys. Surveys are those threads that seek everybody's subjective opinion. Sightings are messages about buses spotted in movies and television shows and commercials. Please do not post messages on these subjects on any other day. Newbies are encouraged to get the feel of it first; there's a line, and the veterans know where it is.

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--do not ever post "test" messages. (e-mail the administrator, instead!)

--do not ever post server commands to the list.

--do not try to post binaries to the list.

--do not continue a thread after the admin has asked that it be killed.



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