[VB] 59/60 tranny

[John Dillon]

i’m running a freshly rebuilt 1600 sp … its a great engine … 15” rims … small nut redux boxes (I wanna stick with small nut because i have a spare set) … when I first called rancho the guy on the phone recommended the 3.88 RP … but when I called back I spoke with a  different guy and he said the 3.44 would be better for my combination …. (205 75 15 tires) … I said i wanted to cruise at about 60 at about 3000 rpms. 

I’d go with rancho but its like $2,200.00 to ship complete transaxle to Canada … given the cost of shipping it doesn’t make sense to ship back the core …. 

anyway, there are a few local guys who rebuild and I’m thinking i may just tell them what i need and save $1,000.00 …. 

I’m thinking that there must be a table or something somewhere … plug in what you have and what you want and it tells you what you need? 

jdd


On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:43 AM, c.dreike <c.dreike at verizon.net> wrote:

> I have a 1776 motor, 3.88 r&p, 1.26 rgb and .82 4th gear.
> This seems to be a good combination. I would even go with a slightly larger motor.
> 
> Ronnie at Bustoration has done a lot of work in this area. you might contact him for advice.
> 
> Cheers,
> Chris.
> 
> On 6/3/2014 7:08 AM, claralw at aol.com wrote:
>> That 3.44  would be appropriate if you have a fat motor.
>> 
>> * don't think about gearing without engine size in mind.  *
>> 40hp?   1600? 1776?   what do you have?
>>  A 3.88 r/p with 1.26 rgbs and 15" wheels & with 205 75 15 tires is kinda high geared for a 1600
>> ditto 3.88 with 1.26 rgbs and 14" wheels with 195 r 75 14 tires was a bit tall gearing for a 1600
>> It was annoying in my 65 westy.   I wished I had got a 4.12 in there when I had it rebuildt, not the 3.88.  The tall gearing made it seem a little wimpy, less pep.  The 1600 did not have the power to use the 3.88; that gearing was just not the right size for the engine.   If I had a fatter motor, it probably would have been nice, but I was going for the simple low maintenance 1600 single carbed motor.
>>  On the other hand, if you are using the little nut 1.39 boxes and a 1600, maybe the 3.88 would be good.
>> The 4.12 with little nuts and 15" rims is geared for a 40hp, so with a 1600 you could probably bump the gearing up a notch.
>> The 1600 is bumped up a notch from the 40hp.
>> use the bus 4th gear.
>> 
>> don't be afraid to drive 3500 rpms.
>>        -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Dillon <johndillon at johndillon.com>
>> To: veewee111 <veewee111 at aol.com>
>> Cc: Vintagebus <Vintagebus at type2.com>
>> Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 6:43 am
>> Subject: Re: [VB] 59/60 tranny
>> 
>> 
>> Rancho suggested a 3.44 RP - what difference would that make?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:11 AM, veewee111 at aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi C.Dreike,
>>> No problem.
>>> If one has a stock 1960-63 transaxle it will do 47 MPH @ 3,000 RPM in fourth
>> gear.  If one replaces the center section with transaxle from Beetle with .89
>> and same R&P will be about 5 MPH slower...
>>> Thus the reason we went to FF transaxle with 3.875 R&P, .82 fourth gear, and
>> can do 60 MPH @ 3,000 RPM, getting 24 MPG.  With now over 125,000 miles on the
>> 1641 cc SP engine.
>>> E&B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c.dreike <c.dreike at verizon.net>
>>> To: vintagebus <vintagebus at type2.com>
>>> Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 9:40 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [VB] 59/60 tranny
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was close.
>>> Thanks E&B.
>>> 
>>>> On 6/2/2014 9:11 PM, veewee111 at aol.com wrote:
>>>> .82, & .89
>>>> E&B
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c.dreike <c.dreike at verizon.net>
>>>> To: vintagebus <vintagebus at type2.com>
>>>> Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 8:35 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [VB] 59/60 tranny
>>>> 
>>>> I believe the bus transmission 4th gear is .82 and the bug is .87.
>>>> anyone? Anyone?
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/2/2014 5:30 PM, John Yust wrote:
>>>>> Bus trannys have slightly higher 4th gears than bug trannys to account
>>>>> for the reduction gear boxes. If you want an even lower 4th gear than
>>>>> you already have in the bus, I guess that would be OK, but I think the
>>>>> bus 4th gear is a lot better. You need the low gears to get going, but
>>>>> not as much when cruising.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/2/2014 4:59 PM, John Dillon wrote:
>>>>>> It be nice to have a newer tranny - how would a newer bug tranny work
>>>>>> with small nut redux boxes?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:00 PM,vwbrain at aol.com  <mailto:vwbrain at aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> john buy a rebuilt bug tranny and transferr all your parts to it
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