[T2] @&^%$$ oil leak still there after engine pull/install

[accessys at smart.net]

hmmmm maybe the auto tranny buses are different. I know everytime I've 
seated it the thing leaked like a sieve.

I also have gotten bad seals out of the box.  cracks or hairline splits in 
the rubber, always double check them before inserting them.

Bob




On Thu, 3 Nov 2016, MUTS wrote:

> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 09:00:34 -0400
> From: MUTS <muts at verizon.net>
> To: accessys at smart.net
> Cc: type2 at type2.com, doktortim at rockisland.com
> Subject: Re: [T2] @&^%$$ oil leak still there after engine pull/install
> 
> I just spoke to my rebuilder Jon Kleckner- he said just the opposite-must 
> seat the seal fully- hers was only tapped flush by me. Jon did say the all 
> orange seal can shrink; use the block/gray/orange one from Germany (Relin?). 
> Can Dr Tim weigh in?  Check youtube re vw seals- they seat them fully tapping 
> on the old seal over the new or use a large socket edge to tap it in. This 
> orange one came out easily with the "Bent Screwdriver" style of prybar. I 
> went to BusDepot and got the Relin, but they were out of the oring for the 
> flywheel- it was new and I am leaving it.
>
> MUTS  = Michael's Ultimate Thumb Saver oboe, clarinet support
> 93 Chevy Roadtrek 210P
> 78 VW Westfalia Camper
>
> On 11/2/2016 11:16 PM, accessys at smart.net wrote:
>> 
>> engine and transmission seals need to be flush with face of tran and
>> engine not pushed in seating it fully will cause a leak.
>> 
>> only thing I can think of at the momont
>> 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 2 Nov 2016, MUTS wrote:
>> 
>>> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:47:25 -0400
>>> From: MUTS <muts at verizon.net>
>>> To: type2 at type2.com
>>> Subject: [T2] @&^%$$ oil leak still there after engine pull/install
>>> 
>>> A year ago I dropped daughter's 75 bus FI engine to replace a worn
>>> clutch that was slipping.  flywheel seals were replaced.  After
>>> install, there was an oil leak noticed after 6 mi of driving.  Too
>>> busy to deal with it; about 2 weeks ago I dropped engine with trans
>>> and did notice oil on throwout bearing (gets from seal down the
>>> plastic tube) and replaced the transhaft seal.  A little puddle at the
>>> bottom, but it sat nearly a year.  Changed the FI hose including
>>> injector hoses.  Found why hard starting; cold start valve not
>>> working; wire in harness near starter had worn through due to rubbing
>>> of harness holder tab.  Pulled the clutch and all was dry; the big
>>> seal looked clean and intact; I replaced the o ring in the flywheel,
>>> and had a fun time trying to line up the trans mounts (had to pull
>>> starter to see the bolts.) Got engine purring after 20 min of pumping
>>> up the hydraulic lifters that had been installed after a rod
>>> bearing/head work.  But 2 oil leaks were seen after warm up- trans oil
>>> leaked out from near nose cone- I had cleaned the vent and topped up
>>> oil.  I cleaned it up to see where it starts and ran the engine, but
>>> leak stopped! A cup or so of oil leaked out- maybe from pressure of
>>> frothing oil?  Checked level and finger feel shows maybe 1/2" low?
>>> Very odd.
>>>   The engine oil leak showed oil as high as the starter weeping from
>>> the trans/engine junction, it seemed to froth out as if under
>>> pressure? In 1/2 hr of running, I'd say less tha a a cup leaked out.
>>> I dropped it today and pulled the clutch/flywheel, and clutch and
>>> front of flywheel were clean, pulling off flywheel showed oil running
>>> over the seal bottom as if really puddled behind it, and oil was on
>>> wall and and  flywheel teeth.  I could easily push the orange seal
>>> edge down to wipe the oil out- shouldn't that have a spring behind it
>>> and be stiff?  Could this be a high oil pressure issue?   Shouldn't
>>> pressure drop after warmup?  I thought of a crack, wiped case
>>> carefully, but did not see anything. Aaargh, this is time wasting; I
>>> gotta split firewood!
>>> I will change the seals after ordering them.
>>> --
>>> MUTS  = Michael's Ultimate Thumb Saver oboe, clarinet support
>>> 93 Chevy Roadtrek 210P
>>> 78 VW Westfalia Camper
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